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Observations: Revisiting Chiron

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If you have a significant Chiron aspect natally as I do, the small centaur planetoid will occasionally speak up and remind you he is there and is not to be ignored. Consequently I am always on the lookout for information leading to a better understanding of Chiron and came across something astrologer Steve Judd wrote on the subject.

He has been looking for new ways to relate to the outer planets and Chiron:

“I find myself looking more and more at the ways in which we both sabotage and transform ourselves (Pluto), the ways in which we delude and spiritualise ourselves (Neptune), the ways we let chaos and stimulation into our lives (Uranus), and the ways in which we both empower and disempower ourselves (Chiron).”

I immediately felt “empower” and “dis-empower” were quite accurate when referring to Chiron and his impact in the natal chart. My natal Chiron is in Libra and not only conjoins my Libra Sun but is the Oriental or Scout Planet for the Sun – the first planet past the Sun in a clockwise direction. For me one-on-one relationships have taught many lessons about what both empowerment and dis-empowerment feel like in those relationships.

My need to give all in support of the man in my life in my twenties drastically interfered with my education and learning marketable skills. I dropped out of nursing school after one year to be closer to my boyfriend at the time who turned to be a real loser. Rather than using what I had learned to at least get a good position working in a doctor’s office, I went running off to work for peanuts in Yellowstone Nat’l Park for a summer in order to get back together with another lover. This was my pattern for many years with occasional periods of relative sanity. In other words, I regularly dis-empowered myself in my relationships. Stupid I know but that’s Chiron, he will keep after us until awareness seeps in and then the real work begins.

Because it is my Sun Chiron impacts, it was core identity stuff I needed to empower and it was through another very important relationship I began to do that. Around the time I turned forty, my father finally let me know he felt I was a capable adult and approved of the person I had become. It was only then I really buckled down and began to set boundaries and rules in my relationships to prevent giving too much of myself away. It took a few more tries to get it right before I was able to be a solid partner in an equitable relationship.

If you have Chiron conjunct, square or opposing personal planets natally, carefully consider if the part of you represented by those planets is where you feel empowered or dis-empowered. If it’s Mercury you may feel like you seldom express yourself well, Venus might mean feeling unable to show affection easily or if it’s Mars you may have difficulty asserting yourself in a clear, straightforward manner. The most important thing is recognizing and accepting those feelings in order to start the process of empowerment . . . and it IS a process because Chiron’s wounds are annoyingly slow to heal.

Sometimes we are able to make a real breakthrough around age fifty when we experience our Chiron Return but that doesn’t mean you can’t get started earlier. I do know a couple of astrologers who specialize in working with Chiron – Lynn Hayes of Astrological Musings and Joyce Mason of The Radical Virgo. Both are excellent astrologers and all around good people.

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19 comments to Observations: Revisiting Chiron

  • sarah

    thank you. i have sun con chiron, and in it also the oriental planet for my sun, and i so identify with this post. thanks for writing it!

    • Diane L

      Hi sarah,

      Fun, huh?! :P I read something John Townley wrote about Chiron as the Oriental Planet and an interest in healing others. Could be we are better at helping empower others than we are at empowering ourselves.

      diane~

  • Joe

    If Chiron is a singleton and unaspected, is it acting more or less independently within the sign and house of the natal chart? I seem to have it opposite Venus although the opp apparently is not exact enough to warrant a red aspect line on Astro.com. Chiron in the 11th house here, so I took a peek. Old Man Saturn is opposing natal Chiron currently. Lately I’ve been busy organizing community events around things that interest me, and also making forays into finding more friends to hang out with. Saturn is creating structure, I suppose, by challenging me on where structure has been missing.

    • Diane L

      Hey Joe!

      If Chiron is a singleton and unaspected, is it acting more or less independently within the sign and house of the natal chart? I seem to have it opposite Venus although the opp apparently is not exact enough to warrant a red aspect line on Astro.com.

      It’s within a degree of exactly opposite which sure counts in my book. And Saturn is currently sitting right on your Venus! So all you mention above sure sounds right on the money to me. You are a better astrologer than you give yourself credit for, Joe! :D

      xoxo diane~

  • Chiron is exactly opposite my Moon and conjunct my Descendant. (It’s also opposite my Uranus by 4 degrees, so I’m of that generation.) I can’t say if Chiron has anything to do with power because I also have Venus conjoined Pluto, which is very much about power issues in relationship. Chiron has had a lot to do with wounding, though, and with healing at/after my Chiron return. Alas, Chiron’s lessons continue as it is now opposing my natal Venus/Pluto and Mercury! Like you, I’ve still very curious about Chiron’s meaning.

    • Diane L

      Hi Leslee!

      Chiron is definitely a major player for you natally, closely aspecting both the luminaries plus the aspects you listed. Sitting on your DES, it is the quality of your one on one relationships that reflect your inner growth. If those people are supportive and help you be your best self, then you are making serious progress with your Chiron issues. :P

      xoxo diane~

      • Leslee

        Sitting on your DES, it is the quality of your one on one relationships that reflect your inner growth. If those people are supportive and help you be your best self, then you are making serious progress with your Chiron issues.

        Thanks, Diane! That’s a helpful insight about my Chiron placement. :-)

  • Merryweather

    Yeah, this post hit home! This past year has been ALL about working on my Chiron wounds, and the work goes on! I have Chiron in Aries conjunct Mars (in Aries).

    “…if it’s Mars you may have difficulty asserting yourself in a clear, straightforward manner.”
    Yep… that’s me!

    • Diane L

      Hey Merryweather!

      This past year has been ALL about working on my Chiron wounds, and the work goes on! I have Chiron in Aries conjunct Mars (in Aries).

      LOL! What a bind for your Aries Mars because there is no more naturally assertive Mars around. As the planets continue to move into Aries now, you must be getting input from all sorts of different directions. :D

      xoxo diane~

  • Karen

    Good call :) I know some astrologers wouldn’t classify my out of a sign Sun/Chiron square relevant, but I certainly do. No doubt thanks to the 29th degree placement. The mentioning of Mercury works so well, being the first planet after my Sun as if I could earn coins for the amount of times I am ignored, misunderstood etc etc, I would be wealthy. In fact, coming to the topic of divorce, or relationship breakdowns, the feedback has been ‘why didn’t you say something?’. Incredulous, considering I had been giving active feedback the entire time. So I have been trying a different tactic, more so the last year or so, less talk and more action.

    • Diane L

      Hi Karen! :D

      I know some astrologers wouldn’t classify my out of a sign Sun/Chiron square relevant, but I certainly do.

      Me too! If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it IS a duck! Or in your case, Chiron square your Sun.

      Incredulous, considering I had been giving active feedback the entire time. So I have been trying a different tactic, more so the last year or so, less talk and more action.

      For cardinal sorts such as yourself, action is the key all right. Timing is critical too. I learned growing in a family where everyone was more vocal than I to keep quiet until just the right moment . . . then drop my verbal bombs. heh, heh, heh

      BTW, it would be Pallas first, then Saturn crossing the horizon each day before your Sun. :P

      xoxoxo diane~

  • Karen

    IT is ? how is this interesting planets/asteroids/fascinating entities passing your sun cooking? I must put solar fire on this computer so I can redeem some cool!! I miss it but only cuddle up with my laptop around once a week!

    • Karen

      Sorry if I was coming across as an airhead. Mercury is my scout planet, was my point with the expression of the Sun/Chiron square and the rest of what I was babbling about.

  • Karen

    Passing the horizon even :P I still have that bad habit of typing before enough caffeine has been digested. Pallas and Saturn certainly explain the communications/tensions, – Saturn especially in the Aries 3rd House, sparky, defiant and often too confrontational for me. Interesting, interesting!!

  • Diane L

    In case anyone is interested, here’s a link to an excellent article John Townley wrote on Scout Planets: Rising Ahead of the Sun

  • Hello Diane: I’m fascinated by this thread. Chiron is in my natal Libra with Mercury (12th House), but doesn’t appear to be aspected. A few months ago I was alerted to the significant effects Chiron has probably been having on my life, and the more I’ve read since, the more convinced I’ve become that this is so … big time! In some ways, though, I am comfortable with the notion that I may have managed to turn-around the damaging implications of this Chiron placement. You see, for the past 30 years of my working life, I have – I believe – been “in service to humanity” through my radio work and my music-showbiz column writing. Despite the apparent glamour of such work, I’ve shunned the ego-centric nature of the media world and, as a result, I’ve experienced constant exclusion, rejection and discrimination from within. But I’ve stuck with it because I felt the public servant call … and still do. However, the current Saturn-Libra transit has been hacking away at my workplace activities since November 2009, to the point where I am now left with just one weekly radio show. Nevertheless, I’m allowing these things to happen because I sense it is a time for change leading to a much more intense focus on my spiritual development. I just felt I wanted to share this with you, and I hope it’s of interest. Best Wishes David

    • Diane L

      Welcome David!

      What a journey! How close are you to your Chiron Return? That happens around 50 and is a time when many of us begin to come to terms with Chiron’s wounds. If you wish to learn more about Chiron, please visit The Radical Virgo. Joyce has done extensive research and writing on the subject.

      Good fortune to you.
      diane~

  • Thank you for your warm welcome Diane. In fact, I’ve just turned 65 (on October 7) but thinking back to around my 50th birthday in 1996, I clearly recall I was experiencing a major upheaval in my radio work. It was, indeed, a very challenging and unhappy time. Strangely enough, it all came about in July 1995 after I’d revealed to my listeners my involvement in natural healing and other matters spiritual-mystical. Suffice it to say the overwhelming majority of listeners were really enthusiastic and wanted to know more, but a microscopic minority persuaded the powers-that-be to show me the door (an example of Chiron’s hidden enemies perhaps?). Luckily, though, one BBC managing editor refused to let me go and I carried-on producing and presenting one weekly show for him. It took me seven years to claw my way back to – and beyond – where I’d been before mid-1995, and that’s where I stayed until Saturn began its transit of Libra in the Autumn of 2009. Since then, as I mentioned in my earlier post, Saturn has been hacking away at my media activities, leaving me with just one weekly radio show again. With the benefit of hindsight, though, I believe I began to come to terms with my Chiron’s wounds in the mid-1980s, after I’d experienced a series of huge losses. First came a marriage breakdown in 1980 (I lost my home, a business and my two children), followed in 1982 by the theft of my other business (a state of the art mobile discotheque and entire record collection), followed by the loss of my health due to a severe reaction to a prescribed drug. By 1985 I was just beginning a long recovery curve when I found myself at an evening of clairvoyance in a Spiritualist church hall. There I was singled-out by a fearsome looking lady (the church President), who said “you’re involved in healing aren’t you”. To cut a very long story short, she took me under her wing, became my mentor and encouraged me to understand my career in radio was central to my healing work. I remain mindful of that fact to this day. Although I sense the radio work is gradually coming to an end, I feel other spiritual-mystical activities will be taking its place. Sorry to be so long-winded but that’s me: an open book (as well as independent author, feature writer, retired showbiz columnist and occasional poet … lol). By the way, many thanks for your ref: to The Radical Virgo. I’m on my way right now. Blessings David