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Happy T-Day and Other Miscellany

This year we get Uranus turning direct, a dashing New Moon in Sagittarius and here in the States, Thanksgiving, all on the same day. Now why do I get the feeling I’m going to be most grateful on Friday! I have been the chief cook for this event for many years and this time around is no exception.

Uranus is stationing in my fourth house and this is the year my younger sister says she can’t eat dairy products anymore so please plan accordingly. I made a pumpkin pie with soy creamer for starters and plan on setting aside potatoes, both regular and sweet, for her to add her non-dairy margarine to for seasoning. Yup, Uranus at work.

In addition we have a new dog! I picked her up last week and we are now in the process of doing some retraining. She had her previous people trained to play fetch with her almost non-stop and I want her to pay attention to my husband and me, not some toy. She is a Blue Heeler and is a very, very smart, determined personality as well as being sweet natured for that breed. However all this takes time and energy and adds to the overall chaos around here but with Mars, Mercury and the Sun in Sagittarius transiting my first house what is more appropriate than a dog showing up in my life.

Here’s to everyone having a wonderful Thanksgiving with keen appreciation of what we are thankful for in our lives!

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I promised Eme Kah a response to her query from the previous post:

I don’t know how to use that Neptunian energy productively at all, I mean in a life-changing way not when it comes to creativity (that’s another story). One of the things that I used to do was to go the Piscean, “ignore it and it’ll go away” route. DOING something about a problem was such a drag. It still kind of is. I would just wish it away–definitely not the best way to use a Neptunian energy. On the other hand, I still haven’t learned how to transcend bad feelings. That would be a useful Neptunian skill. I would love to hear from people who have managed to use Neptunian energy in a productive way (other than in the arts, I mean).

It seems to me the key to learning to handle Neptune in aspect to Venus and the Moon in particular is through Saturn. If we can establish guidelines and boundaries for the way we express love and compassion as well as receive it, we will be less inclined to slip into Neptune’s illusions and false expectations.

Various religious belief systems use this very effectively. Think of the vows of chastity and poverty used to shift the focus to compassionate love instead of physical, romantic love. If we need to establish our own guidelines because we don’t ascribe to a particular belief system, like I did with Saturn-Pluto in the ninth house, then it’s up to using Saturn’s energy in our charts to enforce our chosen morale code.

Perhaps this dynamic is clear to me because my Venus is both sextile Neptune and trine Saturn while my Moon is conjunct Neptune and sextile Saturn. Sure I floundered around and made some rather poor choices [understatement], especially before my first Saturn return but in the end I learned to adhere to my personal code of ethics and boundaries. Misplaced nurturance and “rescue mission” relationships were gradually weeded out and replaced with equitable relationships with more mature personalities.

Channeling the compassion and caring of Neptune in a sane way also is aided by learning a hefty degree of detachment to outcomes. Because when we set out to “rescue” someone we have already passed judgment saying in essence they can’t take care of themselves and we know what’s best for them. I firmly believe 99.9% of the time there is not enough information to make that call about another human being.

This also goes back to treating one’s self with love, compassion and forgiveness first. When we can do that, then we can spread it around to all the other people in our lives. By the way one way of handling bad feelings is through forgiveness, how Neptune is that?!

So that’s my two cents. Anyone else?

Hydrangas are wonderful in the Fall. These are last year’s beauties.

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24 comments to Happy T-Day and Other Miscellany

  • casey

    I totally agree with neith, like always. (grin) The best way to handle Neptune is through Saturn and I’m talking discipline. Day-to-day discipline. Not “i’m-meaning-to”, “maybe tomorrow”, no excuses. You just sit down and do the spiritual work. (And I feel I can talk about Neptune cuz I’m a Pisces with a Pisces Venus.) So, for ME, the way to handle Neptune is through yoga. It’s a physical discipline with a spiritual foundation. And it’s the best tool I know to get Neptune under control. In fact, I think 75% of the problems of humanity would disappear if people would just do yoga. Illness — handled better with yoga. Self-esteem problems — handled better with yoga. Bad relationships — get to know yourself through, you guessed it…yoga. After a while, you just won’t put up with bad treatment, won’t make bad decisions, won’t feel the neediness, won’t abuse yourself because somehow the work makes you respect yourself. You’re better than all that. And you won’t be “rescuing” people because you’ll see that everyone is on their own path. It’s presumptious to assume they need rescuing in the first place. And when you’re involved in other stuff, especially physical stuff, creativity just flows through you. Because you’re freeing the unconscious by not obsessing about things. My motto is “Creativity is sanity.” It got me through a lot of bad stuff. And a Buddhist meditation technique called metta-kindness got me through more. AND taught me to let go. And one my favorite sayings is: “Life is about how much you love, how well you lived and how well you learned to let go.”And “Through yourself upon the wave of life and it will bear. you. up.” Golly, neith, here’s hoping you get a chance to put your feet up tomorrow and get a chance to rest on Friday.I met a Blue Healer (is it Heeler or Healer?) a while back. Gorgeous dogs. Very smart but a handful. Happy turkey day!Now I have to figure out what hors d’ouevres I’m bringing to my brothers tomorrow. What do you think? Spinach tartlets or ham and gruyere gougeres? Or both?

  • Eme Kah

    Ooh, thank you, Neith. I’m going to meditate on these things. Here’s the thing, though, that I find: a lot of times I’m confused about the line between rescuing someone and forgiving them. So, for instance, if someone crosses the line with me and I’m very angry, I often feel terrible about showing my anger (which is, after all, an emotion that protects our boundaries) and I try to rescue them from any discomfort *their* bad behavior might cause in them. kwim? In my own twisted way, rescuing them from the consequences of their actions (ie, my or someone else’s anger, however justified) IS forgiveness. I have to say, this way of using Neptune has caused me a lot of trouble. For instance, when people have tried to swindle me out of money and I’ve tried to protect myself (and obviously, when one is in this position one usually speaks sharply), as soon as I pick up their discomfort, I back off. So, that’s my question. What does real forgiveness as opposed to rescuing entail?

  • casey

    Not an easy process, forgiveness. However, your backing off when they respond to your anger isn’t forgiveness at all. It’s fear. You’re afraid of their opinion of you. This just pushes your resentment deeper into you. And your allowing them to victimize you. You’re being bullied by your guilt. Respect yourself more. If you don’t, they won’t. Yoga Journal has a really good article on working on forgiveness — because it’s not an easy process. You have to face yourself and ask yourself if you want to hold on to these feelings or do you want to let them go and be free? A lot of people will hold on to the bad feelings. Anyway, the article is here and it has about 8 steps to forgiveness. You have to do the work on yourself — you can’t change other people except by example.http://www.yogajournal.com/wisdom/2548Happy turkey day, guys! I’m pooped and I’m sure you’re pooped, neith. I ended up making roast asparagus with prosciutto and little ham and cheese palmiers. yummm, tasty.

  • Pat

    I ended up making roast asparagus with prosciutto and little ham and cheese palmiers.OMG, Casey, that sounds to die for. Hope they all appreciated it.Loved your advice to Eme, definitely spoken with experience by a true Pisces. Neptune and Pisces, the sign it rules, are like water. It needs a container, or it just runs all over the place. There are many spiritual practices that provide the container, but yoga is one of the most accessible to just about everyone. I’m not sure that I would counter Neptunian energy with Saturn, although if that works for you, fine. Neptune has an ego-denying quality to it, which is what we need to explore higher realms of conscious awareness. But we can’t live in that place, or we’d end up permanently in a mental hospital. A healthy ego can set reasonable boundaries. “Ego” planets are the Sun and Mars. Through the Sun, we know ourselves, which helps us know what we can and can’t tolerate. Mars energy is what helps us protect ourselves, and it’s interesting to note that Mars is the planet we most associate with anger. Sometimes getting angry is exactly what people need to see to know that they’ve stepped over the line. Learning to express anger in healthy ways is something most of us could learn, especially women, who have been taught that it’s not acceptable. As in everything, the key is balance, the specialty of our Libra hostess. :-)

  • casey

    Well, Pat, you know I have that Jupiter/Merc in Aries in opposition to Saturn/Nept in Libra from the 12th house to the 6th…So perhaps that’s why I let Saturn handle the Neptune…And perhaps that’s why balance is one of those things I really strive to find.But I find I’ve become much more austere in the past year or so…I’m thinking 2009 will be a very interesting year. I just read Dan Furst’s five part articles on the coming conjunctions. Most interesting and worrisome.2008 was a very difficult year for almost everyone I know. People became much more aware of their mortality, for some reason. People I consider to be very well-grounded suffered a lot of strange illnesses or lessning of their faculties. Even my Sag mother admitted her frailities are growing. Yesterday, my very Capricorn/Aquarius (cusp person), VERY grounded sister-in-law was telling us about the strange physical problems that attacked her this year. Her uterus literally fell out of her! She contracted e-coli and hasn’t been able to eat anything except carbs for two months! She broke her foot in a bizarre accident, stepping off something while shopping! Her mother broke the same foot at the very same time in a different city! Her daughter caught the e-coli too! Just bizarre stuff.

  • neith

    Thanks Casey! I agree with all of what you said too. I’ve done Yoga on and off for years though now it’s Tai Chi. One of the most useful things I learned and have continued to use is yoga breathing techniques. I incorporate breathing with Tai Chi movements and for relaxing to shut my mind down so I can sleep.And one my favorite sayings is: “Life is about how much you love, how well you lived and how well you learned to let go.”Yup! Since both of us have lots of Scorpio and other fixed signs, the letting go part was probably the toughest to learn. I am inclined to credit Pluto transits to beating that message into my head. :-)I met a Blue Healer (is it Heeler or Healer?) a while back. Gorgeous dogs. Very smart but a handful. It’s Heeler because the breed moves stock by biting/nipping the hocks. They will do the same thing to people is allowed to get away with that type of behavior. Yes, not a “fluff” dog!Spinach tartlets or ham and gruyere gougeres? I ended up making roast asparagus with prosciutto and little ham and cheese palmiers. yummm, tasty.I'm with Pat, those all sound heavenly! We went with the classics yesterday. BTW, the pumpkin pie made with soy creamer (Silk French Vanilla) was WONDERFUL! My sister was thrilled as was I to find another great milk substitute to bake with. I also made a chocolate pie using 1/2 & 1/2. On the whole though we're pretty healthy eaters and stick with smaller portions. Depressing but true. :-)Not an easy process, forgiveness. However, your backing off when they respond to your anger isn’t forgiveness at all. It’s fear. You’re afraid of their opinion of you. This just pushes your resentment deeper into you. And your allowing them to victimize you. You’re being bullied by your guilt. Respect yourself more. If you don’t, they won’t.Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you very much for this, Casey. You explained this much better than I was going to! Yay!

  • neith

    Hi Pat!Learning to express anger in healthy ways is something most of us could learn, especially women, who have been taught that it’s not acceptable. Interestingly both Casey and I have Mars in Scorpio square Pluto in Leo; in other words, a powerful Mars placement so that may be why we tend to use Saturn’s discipline to balance Neptune’s little sneaky ways. The calming effects of yoga and Tai Chi are very healthy for working with this type of Mars too.

  • neith

    Here’s the thing, though, that I find: a lot of times I’m confused about the line between rescuing someone and forgiving them. It’s forgiving one’s self that can be the most difficult! That’s far more important than forgiving others. You just had your Mars Return so it’s no surprise to be thinking about how you handle being assertive. Enjoy all the fire sign zippiness while it’s with us!

  • Devil Mood

    Hey Neith, hope you’re having a great Thanksgiving!I’m so jealous of you having a new dog! I’ve been trying to control my urges to get one almost since my old one died but the commitment is just too big. (how surprising!) But I certainly miss all that happy energy around the place.

  • Eme Kah

    Thank you very much. You’ve all given me a lot to think about. I am afraid that of people’s opinion but, most importantly, I’m afraid of DESTROYING them. A Mars return? I’ve never heard of a Mars return! Wow. Anyway, I have to work on forgiving, especially the part about letting go of the expectation that those who have hurt me will ever apologize. That’s the part that really burns me up. But okay.

  • casey

    I’m starting to be of the opinion that our family Thanksgiving buffets are just wasteful! Everybody brings something — and there’s always like half of everything left. There were two turkeys, two hams for 14 people! This is JUST SILLY!I honestly would prefer a real sit-down dinner with just four courses. I find I crave really good vegetables a lot more than all the carbs. I wish other people liked Brussel sprouts as much as I do. And crisp romaine salads. I’m making turkey stock today. House smells yummy. I was very annoyed this morning…I got all psyched up to start the grandbabies’ quilts and went off to the quilt store — only it was CLOSED! I’m sure they want to be with family too but dang! I was all ready to start this…

  • casey

    I haven’t quilted in ages…it’s gonna have to be machine quilting cuz the carpal tunnel just won’t let me do hand quilting anymore. sigh.

  • Joe

    Casey wrote: People I consider to be very well-grounded suffered a lot of strange illnesses or lessning of their faculties.Uh, yeah, that was certainly the case for me… although I would argue the point that I’m well-grounded.

  • neith

    Hey DM!I’m so jealous of you having a new dog! I’ve been trying to control my urges to get one almost since my old one died but the commitment is just too big. (how surprising!) But I certainly miss all that happy energy around the place.Yes, it is a lot of work, especially initially but I’m enjoying watching my dog start to behave like the good little predator she really is, sniffing out rodents and old bones. Yummy! She is also accepting both my Aries and I as her alpha’s and paying more attention to us every day.When the time is right for you to have a new dog, it will show up!

  • neith

    Anyway, I have to work on forgiving, especially the part about letting go of the expectation that those who have hurt me will ever apologize. That’s the part that really burns me up.Very good point. Often those who are most oblivious of the pain they cause others are the least likely to extend an apology because then THEY would have to recognize their shortcomings.Remember too to treat yourself occasionally to something that gives you pleasure. Use your natal Jupiter-Uranus sextile to your Sun to lift your spirits. :-D

  • neith

    I honestly would prefer a real sit-down dinner with just four courses. I find I crave really good vegetables a lot more than all the carbs. I wish other people liked Brussel sprouts as much as I do. And crisp romaine salads.Our immediate family has cut waaaay back especially since I’m doing most of the T-Day cooking now. You know . . . if you want something done right, do it yourself?! Scorpio’s motto?! :-)In the winter, I buy nothing but Romaine lettuce for salads since I love the texture of it.

  • neith

    Hey Joe!Uh, yeah, that was certainly the case for me… although I would argue the point that I’m well-grounded.LOL! Moon-Jupiter in Capricorn and Saturn in the first? yeah, you are pretty well grounded even if it doesn’t feel like it at times. Very pragmatic if nothing else.

  • Joe

    Possibly, but the Gem ASC gives the illusion of being flighty and, er, airy-fairy. ;o)

  • casey

    But I do NOT have the room for a sit-down dinner. I don’t even have a table. I have four wooden TV tables. However, Eve and I are taking over making Xmas dinner for Mom. Last year was just not a happy eating experience. (Undercooked turkey…ick)I am afraid that of people’s opinion but, most importantly, I’m afraid of DESTROYING them.Now THAT’S a different animal altogether. That sounds very Plutonian. Remember that Pluto rules Scorpio and scorpions are known to literally sting themselves to death. Destroying other people is usually you trying to destroy something in yourself. The person you need to forgive here is yourself. And some healthy anger management tools.Even righteous anger needs control.

  • Joe

    Here’s hoping everyone has clear skies tomorrow for the show that the Moon, Venus and Jupiter will put on!

  • neith

    Possibly, but the Gem ASC gives the illusion of being flighty and, er, airy-fairy. ;o)ROFLMAO!! :-DHere’s hoping everyone has clear skies tomorrow for the show that the Moon, Venus and Jupiter will put on!I have my fingers crossed as we’ve had fog, partly cloudy, mostly cloudy, etc with the occasional clear evening. The few times those two have been visible, they are brilliant!

  • neith

    However, Eve and I are taking over making Xmas dinner for Mom. Last year was just not a happy eating experience. (Undercooked turkey…ick)Yuck! One of the reasons I like to do the cooking . . . not particular or anything, nooooo. (oops, my Scorpio is showing!) :-)I made a turkey tetrazzini using up the last of the turkey with lots of Parmesan and some dried morels as well as the left over gravy. Very tasty.

  • Eme Kah

    I’d been wondering a lot about the positive side of Neptune (bc I’ve often felt so walloped by it, negatively) and today I read an article that I think perfectly describes the higher Neptunian vibrations: http://www.slate.com/id/2205150/.

  • neith

    I’d been wondering a lot about the positive side of Neptune (bc I’ve often felt so walloped by it, negatively) and today I read an article that I think perfectly describes the higher Neptunian vibrations: Obama in Your Heart.Yes, I like this example very much, Marly. Obama uses his Neptune-MC square his Sun extremely effectively. I know I’m not immune!