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Observations: Saturn in Libra vs. Saturn in Scorpio

ravens against the snow © Diane Lang

One of the most important changes in the sky from 2012 to 2013 is Saturn finally leaving Libra and moving into Scorpio where it is in mutual reception with Pluto in Capricorn. Libra and Capricorn have an adversarial relationship and even though Saturn is exalted in Libra, it didn’t seem to diminish the bickering.

It is easy to forget peace loving Libra is also noted for enjoying a good debate and for changing sides in mid-debate just to keep the ideas flowing. When my Libra Sun mom was growing up, she and her Capricorn sister bickered constantly. She referred to their interactions as part of their “all day argument”. This didn’t bother either of them and they always spoke of each other with respect and appreciation. My mom had much the same pattern with my Cancer sun father, and here again, it bothered me with my sensitive Libra Moon conjunct Neptune more than it did them. Apparently that was simply the way they communicated.

When Saturn entered Libra I thought we would see more compromise by far than we did. It turned out the stressful aspects with Uranus in Aries and Pluto in Capricorn brought out the argumentative side of Libra rather than the peacemaker. By the time Saturn left Libra for Scorpio, the divisions and polarizations existing both personally and in the collective were deeper than ever, sad to say. Cardinal signs are far better at starting the arguments rather than ending them and I know plenty of people who suffered greatly due to all the acrimonious exchanges of the Saturn in Libra years.

Now Saturn has entered fixed, watery Scorpio and consequently is far less overtly contentious. It is in a harmonious sextile and mutual reception with Pluto in Capricorn rather than an abrasive square. The move from an air sign to a water sign also meant going from the gut rather than the intellect. Probably one of the more frustrating aspects of the shift into Scorpio is the serious negotiating will probably take place out of the spotlight, behind closed doors. Scorpio does like to keep everyone in the dark until they have something definitive to offer.

Most astrologers seem to agree as long as Uranus is squaring Pluto (the last exact square is 15 March 2015), the intense sense of polarization will continue. However now that Saturn is working closely with Pluto instead of seeking to thwart him, there is a good possibility progress is in the works to help resolve the worst problems . . . whether the general public knows it or not. One thing I’m sure of is those solutions will be extremely pragmatic and likely to be unpalatable to the idealists among us.

Something else to consider is the need to get in touch with our feeling nature now Saturn is in a water sign. In July 2013 Jupiter will also enter watery Cancer, making this an even greater priority. We will need emotional intelligence then, and in case you are unfamiliar with the term here is a definition:

Emotional intelligence is the ability to identify, assess, and control the emotions of oneself, of others, and of groups.”

Myself, I’m very, very glad to have Saturn in Scorpio rather than Libra! It will be interesting to observe the differences going forward.

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4 comments to Observations: Saturn in Libra vs. Saturn in Scorpio

  • Sunflower

    Capricorn and Libra sure do enjoy a good debate :)! But they do laugh a lot together. And things they agree on, boy, can they support each other (in my experience) through thick and thin.

    These two learn a lot from the other, and, to me, it’s because Cardinals are willing to give their Cardinal buddies sh*t (challenge them).

    XOXO, great article!!

    • Diane L

      Hi Sunflower!

      Glad you liked this one! I usually get along with my Cappy friends & relatives. Some of my favorite Cappys are older folks & their sense of humor is great. Yes, Capricorns do tend to age far better than most. :D

      xoxoxo diane~

  • Linda

    I’m also glad to see Sauturn leave my sign for Scorpio although it is in the 12th house. During those Libra years, it was 24/7 stress with no personal or professional cooperation. Aa result, I became less balanced and more argumentetive, frustrated and depressed. The eclipses and Grand Cardinal Crosses added to my unhappiness and I thought it was a permenant situation.I hope Saturn will ease up on my Pluto in Capricorn transiting the second house so that I can try to mend the relationship closest to me and plan a new direction for the future.

    Will you be writing about the Grand Water Trine coming up this summer? Are there any up coming Cardinal Crosses to bear or are they hopefully fininshed ?

    • Diane L

      Hi Linda,

      Transiting Saturn in Scorpio should be a quiet background presence for you for some time to come. Transiting Jupiter in Gemini stationing in your 7th house opposing your natal Venus may help w/relationship issues . . . you could find yourself involved in endless discussions as Jupiter is currently trine your natal Mercury. :D

      I will be writing about the Grand Trine in Water & Jupiter moving into Cancer later on. Jupiter in Cancer will be most active in July & August. It will definitely resonate in your chart via your natal Mercury-Uranus square. Lively times & you may say things that have needed saying for a long time.

      xoxoxo diane~